It is interesting to read the comments from the posters that are actually in DO school (Deb and myself) vs. the wishful, idealistic rationalizations from the others. Josh, you are far from bursting my bubble, that happened once I discovered the all-too-often low quality of osteopathic medical school's clinical training. And you are sorely wrong about me possibly being an MD school hopeful/reject. In fact, far from it. Prior to O school, I acquired close to 1000 hours in CME's in OMT with Upledger, Ursa Foundation, Leon Chaitow and others. I applied only to O schools and was thoroughly grounded in the history, philosophy and literature of the osteopathic profession. As a student, I was involved with several of the nat'l student organizations and attended a number of the meetings, including representing my school at three AAO convocations. The comment about BE/BC AOA DO's not being residency trained was meant to be in reference to FP and EM docs, not all specialties. Until quite recently, a DO could become BC, without being residency trained, in these two specialties. It is still possible to achieve a SP in OMM without a residency. Stillborn, if you question the #'s, check in past issues of the JAOA. 2003, I did not reply to the body of your message because I was on call at the time and your apparent general lack of comprehension on my post(s) left me undecided about where (or if to bother) to begin to get you up to speed. As you may find out, some academic DO's will suggest to students to avoid ACGME residencies as they are the domain of MD's. As far as my comment on paying into medicare and being eligible for an ACGME residency, you appear to have misconstrued my intention, but after some experience in DO school, it will probably dawn on you. And Josh, as a student, I spent time at the NIH representing the osteopathic medical student community, as well as my previously mentioned student activities. Interestingly, my dean's letter states that I have been one of MOST active students in nat'l organizations from my school. My point is, I have worked for improvement(s) and have probably been more active as a student than most of you will ever be. My posts were FYI, you can find out on your own how accurate they are. If you think that I am off of the mark, then perhaps you should visit POL and solocit other comments from those with experience. So what are my opinions about GME based on? Rotations at Eastmoreland, Doctor's, Grandview, POH, Ingham Regional, Botsford and a few of the smaller DO training sites. Electives at several of the 125 academic medical centers and rotations at a few community hospitals with ACGME residencies. Also, site visits at >30 ACGME residencies, in addition to ten completed interviews for residency positions. During the visits, I gathered information on ratios of attendings to housestaff; # of patient visits; resources; didactics (# hours and if protected); resident esprit de corps; call schedule; stability of program (staff turnover, attrition rate of residents) and may of the other aspects that are relevant when evaluating a program. Plus, many hours of conversation(s) with DME's, chief residents and house staff, that are privy 'insider' information. My posts are based on my personal experience(s) and are informed comments and not a product of the "well, I heard from my cousin that osteopathic residencies are great " mentality. That is, not from the naive, idealistic view of a pre-osteopathic student.
Josh, if you are going to use the word 'allopathic' or any of it's derivatives, you should visit Taber's medical encyclopedia, as you are using it erroneously. Your comment about OMT and hospital beds reinforces my opinion that you have little practical experience with OMT/OPP. OMT is a valuable modality that could probably decrease hospital stays (in some patients) and improve patient function. The only hospital (that I am aware of) that allows it's consistent use on patients, in most departments, is at a hospital in NY. When I entered the DO profession, it was with the aim of becoming BC in IM and/or FP and CSP in OMM. I still plan on it, except through the ACGME/ABMS route for primary care. I have far from abandoned OPP, even though it is a non issue in the 3rd & 4th years of most DO schools and AOA residencies. The AOA convocations will continue to be my OMT/OPP 'fix', but I will accept an ACGME position for a better combination of GME and experience. And when or if any of you eventually do get around to deciding to pursue the AOA, ACGME/AOA or ACGME residencies, be sure to visit with malpractice insurance companies and see if they still have higher premiums for AOA BE/BC DO's. Also, investigate what hospitals will deny you privileges due to your AOA BE/BC status and what insurance companies will reject/reduce your payments for the same reason(s). While you are at it, ask the AOA how can their residencies be so unique and osteopathicly distinctive, if they are willing to allow ACGME trained DO's to become AOA BC (as the current AOA newletter recommends). Seems like a mixed message. Maybe this post will be a wakeup call for some of you, investigate for yourself, you will find that my statements about GME are much more accurate than you may want to believe. Perhaps, once you are in the system, your comments will have some merit, but it is amusing to have pre-meds tell a 4th year student that they must have it wrong, it simply can't be that way. The osteopathic 'difference' is primarily a partyline. Reality bites.