Her interactions with me just feel so wrong. my Gut tells me it’s her. I understand the logic of marmot -> PSV -> sporty/arch But that seems like a miserable and I don’t think it’s archi.
Yes, and you make me paranoid too. I don’t like that you’re still alive. I don’t like that you said you don’t want to take me to F3, because part of me wonders “is it because she knows I’m gonna get paranoid of her?” I don’t like that you won best wolf and you’re sitting here with a bunch of people who haven’t seen you wolf lol. I don’t like that you’ve flip flopped your evaluation on me multiple times today alone.
And I have to reconcile that with the fact that there have been multiple outted PRs before you that were obvious kill choices, and the fact I just can’t wrap my head around the concept of wolf!you asking wolf!dubz to correct you on-thread if you get too angsty with me. And I have to pray that these new people are much better players than I am when it comes to their samac vision.
Yes. Those are the intentional things I have said to see what your read on me would be. To see how you'd react. And there was nothing. I was expecting you to question me, say something, but you didn't. And I think that means more into a wolf you world than a village you world.
It's a meta thing.
I usually get my read on her by how she is interacting with me.
When she is village she has a very hard time giving me a village read and is often very paranoid about me. She hadn't expressed any of that on thread, hadn't reacted my sus breadcrumbs I was throwing out on purpose (talking about being in f3, bringing her, making comments about being alive etc) that I would expect village her to.
Yes. Those are the intentional things I have said to see what your read on me would be. To see how you'd react. And there was nothing. I was expecting you to question me, say something, but you didn't. And I think that means more into a wolf you world than a village you world.
Yes. And clearly I noticed them, because I’m talking about them now. If I hadn’t been concerned by them, I wouldn’t still be thinking about them.
I kept my mouth shut because I’m tired of fighting you game after game, and I’m choosing to believe in the villagey things you’ve done for once rather than derailing the thread with only one wolf left and many days left available to evaluate.
She hadn't expressed any of that on thread, hadn't reacted my sus breadcrumbs I was throwing out on purpose (talking about being in f3, bringing her, making comments about being alive etc) that I would expect village her to.
It's a meta thing.
I usually get my read on her by how she is interacting with me.
When she is village she has a very hard time giving me a village read and is often very paranoid about me. She hadn't expressed any of that on thread, hadn't reacted my sus breadcrumbs I was throwing out on purpose (talking about being in f3, bringing her, making comments about being alive etc) that I would expect village her to.
Lol no you cannot. I can give you that Stagg is trying too hard to look like he's trying, genny is probably okay (oh god how can I say that again so soon...) and Santy seems to be the same Santy that played last game.
Someone remind me to read through the long Gikkle (sorry I keep wanting to call you Grackle) post with my brain on when I'm not popping in between cases
On a read of space post, what feels notable to me is
- Suspicion on Gikkle
- Giving Shinichi a pass
- Probably the only slot that townleaned Mayo
- Suspicion on Zenge
- Suspicion on moon (even after claim)
- Samac top town
- Stagg townlean to then sus by omgus
Sorry I missed this
Agree on Santy, moon, genny, and tentatively Zenge. Agree on Stagg, Clem is possible but I don't think partnered with Stagg, and PSV I need to see more from her.
I'm nowhere near comfortable with mayo lol is this a reading card read?
Achromatic I'll need to make a bigger post about when I have more time bc there's not really just one thing that made me TR them.
Stagg on the other hand I thought looked good in his argument with you. The way he went about it didn't seem like he was just pushing an agenda. I also liked his recent talk about not getting caught if he doesn't want to - I don't really see W!stagg having the audacity to brag about how good they are at not getting caught in the middle of a scum game where several people are suspecting them lol.
I ****ing
Can't remember what I was going to ask...
Sorry, I'm a lot busier than I expected to be but I'm on lunch now so going to prioritize figuring where my head was at with Achro stuff for a bit
Idk man I'm just uncomfy
But Zenge says you're village (I think? @Zenge142 you did say PSV is village, right?) and he's usually right about that when I'm wrong I think?
Not actual mad! Just like, you know, game mad. I don't understand otherwise why you think I'm a wolf in that vote spread. I made the tie to see which direction it would break, it helped me get a read on Gikkle.
The important part is that it was the counterwagon to shinichi
So no wolves being on mkg (in a moonster/wildzoo/shinichi world) means wolves didn't try and save shinichi despite moonster & wildzoo both being online
which is REALLY weird considering moonster was on borrowed time & was inevitably going to die at some point, so losing another wolf would be really bad
Moon and Spinichi: moderate to severe evidence of partnership
Reading the latter bit of this first set of quotes I had a flashback to the original StardeWW when AM pointedly told me I knew better than to defend someone I hadn't given a solid reason to village read. Twas while I was trying to prevent a packmate's yeet. This feels very similar.
^Quoted for completeness but this interaction could go either way
^this post feels important. I would be shook if there's not a packmate in here.
Noting these tallies
Shinichi then notices moon (this is where I wish conversation threads were a bit easier to follow here so I wouldn't have to reorganize things myself lol). There's nothing here to indicate that Shinichi was overtly bothered by moon defending him against a single vote for no reason - maybe a playstyle difference, but it would have raised my hackles. He questions it as kind of an aside but moon doesn't answer and he doesn't follow up.
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Following these, Shinichi votes Zenge (I did not find a response from moon to the last question).
Actually open this one, it feels important:
I think it's interesting to note where the tally was at in the middle of this conversation
Because now suddenly moon's opinion of Shinichi has shifted from defense without reason to suspicion without reason. I think this is a distancing attempt as she's getting into hot water. Perhaps before the decision was made to fake claim doctor.
Doctor claim comes about 20 minutes later, moon then tags everyone a few minutes after that and Shinichi is quick to respond
My gut is just...unimpressed by this response
Shinichi disappears after that
Now...this does make me think maybe I'm wrong about Gikkle (or maybe Achro??). Or perhaps Shinichi was lurking to see if he would need to self prez. I am not surprised by moon not moving to save him if they're partnered because she wouldn't have known how long she had left before she'd be outted, and that would look very bad for Shin.
WIFOM about whether Gikkle as wolf in this scenario would point out this exact weirdness yesterday. I wasn't planning to spend time on worldbuilding in a moon/Gikkle scenario today but now I feel like I should...
If anyone has a reason off the top of their head why moon/Shinichi/Gikkle would be a terrible horrible pack to consider and wants to save me some time, pls do.
Sorry I missed this
Agree on Santy, moon, genny, and tentatively Zenge. Agree on Stagg, Clem is possible but I don't think partnered with Stagg, and PSV I need to see more from her.
I'm nowhere near comfortable with mayo lol is this a reading card read?
Idk man I'm just uncomfy
But Zenge says you're village (I think? @Zenge142 you did say PSV is village, right?) and he's usually right about that when I'm wrong I think?
A bit odd for PSV to drop a case on a packmate during a kind of unpredictable EOD though? Especially since there had been some buzzing about Achro iirc so it's not like he was totally safe from being wagoned last minute.
I'm resting and eating a breakfast sandwich so you are all unignored again for the moment. D1 moon/PSV stuff next but I don't think there's much there. And I know there isn't gonna be anything with mayo unfortunately.
I'm waffling on whether to spend time looking at interactions with moon in the days following the doctor claim. Just hard to know how outted the wolves felt she was at that point.
Sporty is very hard to ISO with Dubz because she refers to her different things at different times and it is infuriating.
Noted this is payback for my Gikkle fun lol
Sporty is very hard to ISO with Dubz because she refers to her different things at different times and it is infuriating.
Noted this is payback for my Gikkle fun lol
I would reconsider this slot if sporty flips v however. The dubz case on Sporty/Gikkle is obviously incorrect mathematically, but it's not farfetched to think that she would've cased these two as a team if one of them was her partner, as a way to take a townie down with the other. But I do think Sporty is much more likely to be a wolf here.
Ah, I meant someone claiming doctor, not someone claiming a role that doesn't exist with doctor. I feel like it's still kind of true with the latter, but I think there's more nuance there given that they aren't the same role, and everyone has different comfort levels with claiming.
Maybe I'll dive into that tomorrow, but thinking back to Day 2, Santy was pushing Achro (although I think Achro talked Santy back on that ride) and also PSV was pushing an Achro/santy difference check.
Then Santy died.
The timing is kinda interesting in that it was a convenient time for Achro in that Santy died townreading Achro. PSV also dropped the difference check idea, which still bugs me. I think that particular facet doesn't necessarily make Achro a wolf, but it's not incompatible.
A bit odd for PSV to drop a case on a packmate during a kind of unpredictable EOD though? Especially since there had been some buzzing about Achro iirc so it's not like he was totally safe from being wagoned last minute.
Wolf clem does **** all for the first day or two, sometimes longer, he chimes in with mech stuff, explains very little otherwise, and sometimes ganders to do more when pressured. That's my memory of his meta, but I also haven't played in a year, so it could have changed.
Meh, I'm not sure I really see it that way? I guess my mentality is more like, we don't know what could've been going on behind the scenes so I don't particularly care for assessing things in this manner. And to be fair the idea of Dubz not being a wolf because she wouldn't kill Spacecamp N1... I mean. He dead
No one ever claimed, but I also don't know if they picked up santy softing he was a PR and block + killed him that night afraid he was the blocker. I don't know that the tracker ever made it out.
Also with what I know about Santy I feel like he would have given it to Zenge.
Sorry I missed this
Agree on Santy, moon, genny, and tentatively Zenge. Agree on Stagg, Clem is possible but I don't think partnered with Stagg, and PSV I need to see more from her.
I'm nowhere near comfortable with mayo lol is this a reading card read?
Hmm actually I think I'm not gonna talk about Achro too much before they show up because I'm really interested in where their thoughts are at today without too much leading
I mean I'm familiar with the concept of PRs acting sketchy and that getting misread as scuminess but that description just didn't feel like it fit with moon's play
I also don't think Achro answered my question about the "classically wolfy" comment on Zenge but I also said I would find it if they'd said already and then I had to skim again so that might be my fault
I ****ing
Can't remember what I was going to ask...
Sorry, I'm a lot busier than I expected to be but I'm on lunch now so going to prioritize figuring where my head was at with Achro stuff for a bit
Alright well now I have this...thing to ruminate on with Zenge's achro/samac pairing. I am...not seeing it. Like samac said, I have also figured out village reads and sheeped them d1. Or not even actually village reads, but just sheeped someone who I was interested in sheeping to see what they did, or to see if they were right. So samac's response to that didn't feel off to me? Like no one has ever really come at me for sheeping Zenge d1 or whatever iirc.
Achro separately has a lot more posts now and I'm running out of time, but @Achromatic could you point me to where (if you have) talked about 1) your primary suspects today and 2) your thoughts on the d1 wagons pre- and post- moon reveal?
Usually it's villagers who have no appreciation for my shenanigans but I haven't read enough of his posts and am taking into account the reads of others who have. So in the middle he stays.
Though now that Santy pointed out Achro did exactly the thing that I thought a wolf!Achro would do re: moon, I might stay. Since no one wants to kill Stagg with me
A bit odd for PSV to drop a case on a packmate during a kind of unpredictable EOD though? Especially since there had been some buzzing about Achro iirc so it's not like he was totally safe from being wagoned last minute.
Moon and Spinichi: moderate to severe evidence of partnership
Reading the latter bit of this first set of quotes I had a flashback to the original StardeWW when AM pointedly told me I knew better than to defend someone I hadn't given a solid reason to village read. Twas while I was trying to prevent a packmate's yeet. This feels very similar.
^Quoted for completeness but this interaction could go either way
^this post feels important. I would be shook if there's not a packmate in here.
Noting these tallies
Shinichi then notices moon (this is where I wish conversation threads were a bit easier to follow here so I wouldn't have to reorganize things myself lol). There's nothing here to indicate that Shinichi was overtly bothered by moon defending him against a single vote for no reason - maybe a playstyle difference, but it would have raised my hackles. He questions it as kind of an aside but moon doesn't answer and he doesn't follow up.
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Following these, Shinichi votes Zenge (I did not find a response from moon to the last question).
Actually open this one, it feels important:
I think it's interesting to note where the tally was at in the middle of this conversation
Because now suddenly moon's opinion of Shinichi has shifted from defense without reason to suspicion without reason. I think this is a distancing attempt as she's getting into hot water. Perhaps before the decision was made to fake claim doctor.
Doctor claim comes about 20 minutes later, moon then tags everyone a few minutes after that and Shinichi is quick to respond
My gut is just...unimpressed by this response
Shinichi disappears after that
Now...this does make me think maybe I'm wrong about Gikkle (or maybe Achro??). Or perhaps Shinichi was lurking to see if he would need to self prez. I am not surprised by moon not moving to save him if they're partnered because she wouldn't have known how long she had left before she'd be outted, and that would look very bad for Shin.
WIFOM about whether Gikkle as wolf in this scenario would point out this exact weirdness yesterday. I wasn't planning to spend time on worldbuilding in a moon/Gikkle scenario today but now I feel like I should...
If anyone has a reason off the top of their head why moon/Shinichi/Gikkle would be a terrible horrible pack to consider and wants to save me some time, pls do.
No one ever claimed, but I also don't know if they picked up santy softing he was a PR and block + killed him that night afraid he was the blocker. I don't know that the tracker ever made it out.
Also with what I know about Santy I feel like he would have given it to Zenge.
Dubz was probably blocker right? Since they were RBed n2 but still had a shot to use on n3, which means they were likely 3-shot. And since they were RBed N2 they couldn't have blocked Santy that night.
Dubz was probably blocker right? Since they were RBed n2 but still had a shot to use on n3, which means they were likely 3-shot. And since they were RBed N2 they couldn't have blocked Santy that night.
I don't think so. I think it is whoever is left.
Because it makes sense to ensure genny died that the wolves block genny and kill in the same night, I don't know why they would block clem.
I don't think so. I think it is whoever is left.
Because it makes sense to ensure genny died that the wolves block genny and kill in the same night, I don't know why they would block clem.
I don't know dubz obv but I feel like its really obvious they weren't happy with my suspicion and tried to paint me as emotional. Maybe that's me knowing I am town tho
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